Why IBPS Selection Procedure is Illegal !

Today I got an email from one of my readers whop asked me to read judgement of Ramesh Kumar vs High Court Of Delhi & Anr on 1 February, 2010. This case is somewhat similar to IBPS PO III selection case. In the above case three SC candidates files a case against Government of India for changing selection procedure. 

Why 10% reserve list rule by IBPS is illegal

In K Manjusree v. State of Andhra Pradesh & Anr. AIR 2008 SC 1470,
this Court held that selection criteria has to be adopted and declared at the time of commencement of the recruitment process. The rules of the game cannot be changed after the game is over.
Above judgement clearly states that IBPS should have mentioned about 10% reserve list in the recruitment notice but it fails to do so. All candidates who already cleared two phases of selection should be in waiting list. No vacancy should be carry forward to next year. IBPS has no right to manipulate the selection for it's own comfort. 

Candidates who didn't secure 40% in interviews can't claim anything now

In Hemani Malhotra v. High Court of Delhi AIR 2008 SC 2103, It is clearly stated that if selection procedure is claelry mentioned in the notification, it can't be challenged in the court. So candidates who didn't secured minimum passing marks in the interviews are rejected ab intio. 
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77 comments:

  1. Everyone is hoping for something positive but whatever be the results,the participeting organisations should fasten their procedure..

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  2. sir now anything
    we can do about this

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  3. Since all the slots are over sir. Can you please analyze and say what would be the safe score for final Selection for Gen. cAt out off 200 and out off 250 in SBI-PO exam? Please do reply..

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  4. i got exact cut-off, i was put into reserve/waiting list, cause of my age, so what if they remove the reserver list, what about ppl like me, who got cut-off, but didnt get allocated ?

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  5. thanks ramandeep sir you are really doing a great job keep it up we are always waiting for ur posts and ibps will have to change this 10 per reserve list criteria because it is clearly illegal thanks

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  6. STATEMENT- NO COLLEGE IS SCHOOL
    SOME COLLEGES ARE GOOD

    CONCLUSION - 1) ALL THE GOOD CAN NEVER BE SCHOOL..
    2) SOME GOOD ARE COLLEGE.


    SOLVE THE QUESTION GUYS.

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    1. This is not right place to ask this question

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    2. 1 doesnt follow.. 2 follows

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    3. 1st one doesn't follows, second one follows.

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  7. SIR CAN U UPDATE SOME MORE "CAN NEVER" CASE SYLLOGISM QUESTIONS??

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  8. Ibps also know that 10% reserve list is illegal........if vacancies will be more than 10% than they will come with a another new reserve list
    I m sure vacancies will more than 10%
    Ramandeep sir what r ur views about that....plz comment sir

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    1. Now BOB and IDBI are hiring PO via Manipal program. Innovative way to earn money.

      These seats belongs to IBPS PO II candidates

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    2. Sir, these seats belongs to po2 or po3? it should belong to po3

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    3. Guys, please join the protest on 14 July at jantar mantar, delhi against IBPS injustice.

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  9. Thanks a lot Sir for you Eagle eye on this matter & your valuable information!!!!

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  10. i got 40.40 in gen category........................i m waiting for a change in the procedure........................hope that cut off will go down......................i will be in the protest on 14 july at jantar manter........................

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  11. Hi !! Ramandeep!! It is a sincere request to you that you please gather inside info from ur IBPS sources abt 10% rule of IBPS and if vacancies exceed the 10 percent what would IBPS do in that case?

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  12. sir i kindly request you to reply for this--------when will be second list of ibps po 3or your expectation?///////////

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  13. Ramandeep Singh sir what do you thing what are our chances of wining the case against IBPS ??

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  14. Raman sir , when ibps po second list is expected.

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  15. dont go by previous po xam trends..ibps walo ne bhi soch samjh k hi 10% dala hai...it clearly means dey wont let banks hire more...xtra seats po4 may ya bank diploma manipal may jani wali hai

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  16. Raman Sir,you have missed one thing-
    "Please note that the eligibility criteria specified
    herein are the basic criteria for applying for the
    post.
    Candidates must necessarily produce the relevant do
    cuments in original and a photocopy in support of
    their identity and eligibility as indicated in the
    online application form-pertaining to category,
    nationality, age, educational qualifications etc. P
    lease note that no
    change of category will be permitted
    at any stage after registration of the online appli
    cation. Merely applying for CWE/ appearing for and
    being shortlisted in the examination and/or in the
    subsequent interview and/ subsequent processes
    does not imply that a candidate will necessarily be
    offered employment in any of the Participating organisation"

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    1. But nothing is mentioned about reserve list of 10%.

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  17. Read this Raman sir under cwe po III under general instruction.

    (4) Decision of IBPS/ Participating Organisations inall matters regarding eligibility of the candidate, the
    stages at which such scrutiny of eligibility is to be undertaken, qualifications and other eligibility
    norms, the documents to be produced for the purpose of the conduct of Examination, interview,
    verification etc. and any other matter relating to CWE PO/MT-III will be final and binding on the
    candidate. No correspondence or personal enquiries shall be entertained by the IBPS in this behalf.

    (17) IBPS reserves the right to change (cancel/ modify/ add ) any of the criteria, method of selection and
    allotment etc.

    So above instruction make it clear that ibps decision can't be changed but if anyone want can go to court.

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    1. Nishant Sahai You are a ''BC'' :p

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    2. Nishant Sahai THU KYA IBPS KAA NOKER HEA JOO USKEE CHU** CHATH RHA HEA .

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    3. Nishant Sahai BAGH YHAAN SEY NAA PO3 MEA NIKLA NAA PO 4 MEA NIKLEY GA

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    4. Just because IBPS mentioned that it can change the selection procedure doesn't mean that it's legal and guys don't use such language here.

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    5. Seems fit that you all didn't got allotted the language you all used here seems you all don't have sister's & mother at home & they are also women so don't you respect them at all

      To Raman sir i wrote one can go to court in case of dispute that what ibps notification said

      Don't worry about my selection mr/ms anonymous in ibps or anywhere because till my conscience is alive i will never die starving but i am not desperado like you.

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    6. Nishant Sahai ager thu itna he bara thees mar khan hea tho yhaan kya ker rha hea abhe thak bank mey chaprase tho bna nhe or chla ibps ko defend kerney jandumal or sun ibps ney tho 28 years kee age limit bhe lga dee thee or vo protest kee badh htha dee tho ek advise hea "fist get your facts right and then try to distort them"

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    7. Chaprasi ki bhi naukari lagi na to bhi to bhuka nahi marooga aur imaan se jo naukari mile wo sammaan ki baat hai aur rahi baat & i know my facts & ibps lowered the eligibility criteria before start of applying for cwe po III not after the process & you should go to court to get your issue solved as now process is over & court can only provide help even if you get ibps to withdraw reserve list because of your protest the cut off will not change & what if ibps doesn't publishes any more list & why took you so long since april to get ibps withdraw reserve list?

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    8. Nishant Sahai lagtha hea armee ka asar ho gya hea terey dimag per 1st u said protest say kuch nhe hoga then i told u that after the protest ibps changed its notification of 28 years age limit ab phir bolrha hea protest option nhe hea jab thujey kuch ptha he nhe tho kyoon bonk rha hea bar barr layndee !

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    9. i am talking of protest in this case not on lowering the eligibility/age so first get your facts right about what i am saying as according to ibps selection process is over so if something gets over you have either to start afresh or live with that so if you want a fresh ruling in favour of you have to go to court. I even tried two rti just to know parameters for interview marks but was returned saying ibps doesn't comes under this department so i threw it away.

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  18. Ager ibps bolega kee tera naam NISHANT SAHAI hea isliyea mea thujey fail kertha hoon thab bhe yea he bolega kya,KI (IBPS reserves the right to change (cancel/ modify/ add ) any of the criteria, method of selection and allotment etc). thora tho dimag rakh key bath ker ,suprem court ney bhe kuch soch samajh key apna judgement diya hoga naa change in selection does not mean restricting candidates from employment when our score card is valid till 31 march 2015 i think u are a fool Mr Nishant Sahai !

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    1. First of all ibps cannot fail me because of my name & name is something which cannot be verified but person associated with that name can be verified but ibps can on the eligibility criteria set by it & second i am talking of people who are saying ibps can't have a reserve list not of those who failed like you & the way you wrote your comment/reply seems fit that you failed or didn't got allotment because fools like you don't understand simple meaning of words written in ibps notification then what loss you would have brought on bank & i have no where read that score card for cwe po III is valid till 31/03/15 but if you say so then scores of those aspirant are valid who made it to the cut off & i also wrote one can go to court in case of dispute & even ibps lowered eligibility criteria so why didn't you protested that it cannot modify/cancel/add. Get a Life Mr Anonymous! Atleast get a name

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    2. Hey Nishant,
      Although IBPS mentioned that it can change the rules and selection procedure anytime but that doesn't means it is legal. Please read decisions of above cases carefully. Delhi High Court lost the case because it changed the selection procedure. Decision clearly states that you can't change the rule of game after it has been completed

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    3. Sir, i am talking of protest being held to make ibps change it decision on reserve list but it can't happen that way but only through court which passed the above aforesaid judgement or other court which is eligible to hear such case.

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    4. Sir, I am not against peaceful protest but for quick judgement & solution you have to go court as many are worried that one year will be lost & if solution is to be found everyone has to ask court to stay the allotment process for PO III otherwise one year will pass in no time.

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  19. Nishant Sahai U are and always will be the biggest fool not only on this earth but also of the universe and u have proven this once again if ibps is not illegal in its decision then why high court of india gave its decision that all the details have to be mentioned before the examination when the notification comes and can not change it after the exam is over now tell me the BIGGEST FOOL IN UNIVERSE is IBPS right or wrong in changing its notification after the written exams and also interviews are over :P

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    1. Go read the notification again & it says in case of dispute jurisdiction will be under mumbai court so you can go to court & ibps notification said all guidelines as per government of india rules & amendments etc so if ibps fault on that count then you have a case so please go to court & tell me one thing BIGGEST LOSER ON EARTH did i said anything about legality of this issue? i was talking in terms of protest not on legal terms. got it

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    2. The biggest donkey on the earth if every thing court has to decide then why there are protest in INDIA and who told u we are not filling case we have already filied case in patna and now 2nd one in delhi is coming soon so just wait and watch !

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    3. Please don't use such kind of language here

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    4. Giving you an example biggest dog on this earth that protest are not always fruitful, have you heard of Irom Chanu Sharmila the iron lady of manipur who has been on hunger strike for past 10 years to repeal Armed Forces Special Act but to no avail. I would like to tell you one thing more this reserve list is the result of protest & cases against ibps by PO II aspirants.

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  20. Let me clarify one point.IBPS can change/modify/cancel any criteria in the notification before starting the selection process.Not after the selection process is over. How it is possible to change
    terms after the process is completed

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  21. And MR changing in the selection process does not mean that you can limit the selection of candidates to 10 % when there was 30 % backlog last year and Mr dum ass when our result shows that we are pass in both written and interview and ibps notification says that our scores are valid till 31st march 2015 then ibps can not put this illegal 10 % limit !

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    1. Mr/Ms painful ass show me or highlight where ibps said score are valid for 31/03/15, ibps don't decide solely on this kind of issues participating banks also take a call & ibps has no role in allotment & everyone has to fulfill the eligibilty criteria of individual banks. Passing an interview will not get you an allotment but getting the cut off will get you the cut off.

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    2. or nishant piley haam yea nhe bol rhey haan kee hmey job do ham yea bolrhey haan ager 10 % sey jada seats haan tho merit key according sab ko consider kro jo pass haan !

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    3. yeah i have the notification opened please guide me where it is written & tell me who gave you birth a women or just dropped from somewhere you also have mother say same thing infront of her so show some respect even raman sir asked you & me too to not use such language so i am not dropping to your level.

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    4. All the participating banks knows how much vacancy will be created in a year so if there are more vacancies banks will not declare it to ibps then what ? getting a pass score is not enough but getting a cut off score is enough to get a allotment so if you couldn't make it to the cut off then what? it's better to bring ibps under rti.

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    5. NISHANT SUAR KEY PILLEY AGER TERE SUAR KEE EYES HAAN OR THUJ JESEY CHUTEYA KO NHE DIKHRHA HEA NOTIFICATION MEA KYA LIKHA HEA THO ITS NOT AOUR PROBLEM PIGSTER

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    6. Even ctrl+f can find it so go abuse microsoft & seems you don't respect your father too how can you respect others, i am just wasting time here & this platform is for discussion/knowledge sharing/ helping as it is all related to Goddess Saraswati & using abusive language here is insulting Goddess Saraswati, God Help You.

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  22. Yes Nishant is correct. And tell me how many fools like u r protesting in 14th july. Ibps has already hand over some vaccancy to bank employee hiring institute. U r all snake who will dance on the music of flute playing by the IBPS.

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  23. Yes Nishant is correct. And tell me how many fools like u r protesting in 14th july. Ibps has already hand over some vaccancy to bank employee hiring institute. U r all snake who will dance on the music of flute playing by the IBPS.

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  24. Let them other say what they want to say. We r protesting strongly in 14th july. We know IBPS has done illegal . If we keep quiet this time for the fear of any strict step taken by IBPS in next series or feeling shy that we will be called loosers or something but I m not going to keep quiet. It is good time to show our unsatisfaction towards IBPS illegal procedure. I m requesting to all of you to join the protest without thinking its outcome. Plz spread my words as much as u can. I m from Delhi

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  25. Nishant Sahai - an alter ego of Rammandeep

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    1. I don't have an ego but only conscience & if you have a conscience you will make out what i am saying that for quicker solution you have to go to court otherwise it will kill precious time of competitors & if i would have had ego i would have also looked at thing from one side because i am not selected too.

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    2. NISHANT TERE GAND MEA KOON SAA INSECT GHUSH GYA HEA JO FALTHU KEE ADVISE DEY RHA HEY THU APNEY KAAM SEY KAAM RAKH OR DUSRON KEY MAAMLOON NEA MATH PER VER NA OR SUNEY GA FIR !

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    3. First of all you all started replying to my first comment using abusive language which is still on & my first comment was directed to raman sir regarding this post it didn't contain anything against you or for you all & don't to try to threatened me i am not here to take abuses or give abuses, i am here to discuss & i have to die one day i will die fighting rather than bogged down by these threats.

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  26. i m, fully supporting nishant...u r saying everything right...and those people who r abusing him...they r jst showing frustation of there failure...exam me high marks lane se hi qualify ho jayenge ye nahin kaha ja sakta...mere saath ka ek banda tha..he was btech passout..he got 102 marks in po 3..interview practice k time wo bolta tha ki main to bol dunga dekh bhai rakhna ho rakho warna mera to aise ho ho jayega...he was overconfident..nd in final result he was out of the race,,,he got only 25 marks in interview...aj wo bhi kehta hai ki yaar sab dhaadhli hui hai...wat do u think why he got only 26-5 marks??do u think he was deserving only coz he had 102 marks??
    i secured 71 marks...i also gv interview in delhi nd i secured 70 marks...mujhse koi dosti nahi thi interviwers ki na hi us ladke se koi dushmani thi..nishant was right in legal aspect,,jo log ye unreserved list(jo ki reality me hai nai)bana kar dharna karne ki soch rahe hain wo khud apne pair par kuladhi maar rahe hain...kyunki ab to kuch hoga nahin...ye jarur hoga next year me wo kuch naya critaria laga denge..may b age and precentage bar...so jst think before shouting and abusing ibps or anyone..
    abhishek
    po-bob

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    1. Man just wait for the PJ Nayer reforms to be implemented,and i'm in support of this,cause banks blames the Govt. for its NPA's due to their subsidies as they say they have to follow Govt. schemes for loan facility, but while at the time of recruitment,they do not follow Govt. rules,they make buisness by taking in new programs of Manipal,where as innocent candidates are Fooled everytime.IBPS conducts the same exam twice,banks collect the funds twice & later divides the vacancies for direct recruitment & manipal program,hence everyone except candidates are benefited.So they are doing buisness in this respect,but fails to do the proper buisness with corporate sectors & blames Govt. for its losses,even they follow private sector banks like ICICI in such recruitment processes,but whenever proposed for reforms or privatization they join up for protest,Lol, govt, has already suffered cause of such organizations & that's why FDI is introduced in Railway,Army & very soon banks.This is absolutely true Govt. should distance itself from nationalized bank shareholdings & stop further capital infusion,they will go on making loss & Govt. or people should not pay for such penalties.Its a lot better with Central Govt. or State Govt public service jobs .Afterall Banks like UBI,CBI etc has set examples,& nevertheless banks are buisness shops,which when run into losses should be handed over or sold,instead of capital infusion.I wonder after so much of losses PSU banks claim they should not fall under the purview of CVC or other vigilance.LOL. So after getting your placement/will be placement you are blaming others for protest,don't be much excited since days are near when you will also have to join other bankers in their protest against privatization,or look for a new job.

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  27. hi sir and guys i got a job in grameena bank but i am not go because i am in reserve list of ibps clk 3 and in grameena bank one lakh bond is there.so these two reasons i am not go
    because i thoughtibps will issue resrerve list jobs in august.but at this situation first list is not clear it takes another two months i thought.at this time i feel very sad because of my nasty decision.please sir tell me any solution sir pls pls......

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    1. Don't worry, You have done what you thought right at that moment so believe in yourself you have a chance in ibps clerk III & prepare for the forthcoming exams as something good is in store for you. Forget what you did look what you have now. All the best.

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    2. I would say you have made a mistake,RRB's are far better than PSU banks & banking reforms are awaiting PSU banks,they are going to be privatized soon,even in regards to working pressure,RRB's are always better & good place to work in.Only a few benefits & some amount of money is more in PSU banks,so i think if you still have time to join,go & grab it,don't listen to this kid,he needs to grow up in this sector.

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  28. hi sir and guys i am gowtham.i got a job in grameena bank but i am not go because i am in reserve list of ibps clk 3 and in grameena bank one lakh bond is there.so these two reasons i am not go
    because i thoughtibps will issue resrerve list jobs in august.but at this situation first list is not clear it takes another two months i thought.at this time i feel very sad because of my nasty decision.please sir tell me any solution sir pls pls......

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  29. Dear Nishant Sahai
    Pl read following two texts from IBPS Website
    1.Regarding interview
    "The total marks allotted for Interview are 100. The minimum qualifying marks in interview will not be
    less than 40% (35% for SC/ST/OBC/PWD candidates). The weightage (ratio) of CWE (exam) and
    interview will be 80:20. The combined final scores of candidates shall be arrived at on the basis of
    scores obtained by the candidates in CWE PO/MT-III and Interview.
    A candidate should qualify both in the CWE and interview to be shortlisted for subsequent allotment
    process, details of which will be available subsequently on IBPS website.
    2.Regarding vacancies(Delhi Court Direction)
    “9. In the meanwhile, it is directed that if, any vacancies are
    filled up, which are relatable to F.Y. 2013-2014, the post filled up
    will be subject to the final outcome of the writ petition.” Hence PO3 is for vacancies fer FY 2014-15

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  30. I was here to discuss & not to take abuses & i thought it to be place where knowledge can be shared but i got different kind of knowledge so i am not going to come on this platform or www.bankexamstoday.com ever & for those who abuse or will abuse me i want to say one thing if you are abusing me you are abusing yourself as whenever you will abuse me my reply will be "same to you". I am not going to comment/access/reply on this platform ever not because i got abuses but to maintain my self-esteem & conscience & my conscience says to sign out of this platform. Thanks Raman Sir for all the knowledge that i got through your post.

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  31. Dear RAMAN Sir,
    I am reproducing the clauses of ibps po3 ad
    "Depending on the available vacancies in Participating organisations, candidates
    shortlisted will be allotted to one of the Participating Organisations keeping in view the spirit of Govt. Guidelines on reservation policy, administrative convenience, etc.
    This system of Common Written Examination, interview and allotment for recruitment of Probationary Officer/ Management Trainee posts in Participating Organisations has the approval of the appropriate authorities. IBPS, an autonomous body, has received a mandate from the organisations mentioned at (A) below, to conduct the recruitment process as mentioned above, once a year.

    Clause in PO 2
    I. VALIDITY OF CWE SCORE CARD
    The scores awarded to candidates, who qualify in CWE-PO/MT-II, will be valid for one year
    from the date of issuance of the scorecard and will be considered for recruitment exercises
    during that period. Candidates who have been declared as qualified in the previous CWE (I) are
    also permitted to apply, if they wish to improve their scores and/or keep the scores valid for a
    further period of 1 year from the date of issuance of scorecards of this CWE (CWE-PO/MT-II). Depending on the available vacancies in Participating organisations, candidates
    shortlisted will be allotted to one of the Participating Organisations keeping in view the spirit of Govt. Guidelines on reservation policy, administrative convenience, etc.

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  32. I am nt selected ...so i can say its illegal...its too easy for me....these year finace department directed banks to complete psl target via alternative free-fare recruitment e.g-manipal.....so big banks are keen to usse leftover ibps vacancy for their psl target.....we need to know ibps is not constitutional body,this body run by psu banks gm and official.....

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    1. Man at the same time IBPS is also making their money twice for a single vacancy,that should have been recruited through IBPS po/clerk.And out of all this massacre only candidates are fooled & are suffering,if their target has to be full-filled,they should be careful while providing loans to corporate sectors,but at that particular the CMD's want only buisness target,they hardly care of recovery & later blames govt. for small loans that they provide through schemes,which are also the reason of bad debts.But due to this losses of certain banks,their management systems,& govt. schemes which are intended to earn votes,why do innocent job aspirants need to pay?? If unnecessary programs are implemented in all sort of job,than Govt. can earn a lot along with tax.Bank CMD's think of their own performance for a few awards & obviously pension benefits,so they are taking such decisions,but why do they protest when banking reforms are intended??They only need capital infusion,which can be done through FDI as well,& Govt. can seperate itself from such banks,but the fact is that they know it well,when capital infusion is through FDI,utilization & buisness performance is also measured strictly,not like present day manipulations...all those CMD's would have no certain retirement benefits & won't be able to spend a lot for all these luxurious meetings.This country is a country of fools,& people are fooled mostly by those old bustards,who are selfish & clever. Every single department & organization would flourish,once those old scammers are retired or out of the departments.

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  33. I am nt selected ...so i can say its illegal...its too easy for me....these year finace department directed banks to complete psl target via alternative free-fare recruitment e.g-manipal.....so big banks are keen to usse leftover ibps vacancy for their psl target.....we need to know ibps is not constitutional body,this body run by psu banks gm and official.....

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  34. ibps po 3 wale chor hai. High marks wale ko intarviewe fail kraya.jo log 80, 90,102,marks laya hai writen me marks lane wale me kuch kuch jrur tilent hoga. Interview ka veryfacton hona chahiya kuch na kuch froud huaa hai.jo log dosi hai unko saja mile.

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  35. Sir file a plea in court on behalf of us

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  36. Any update Sir about this reserve list cancellation...1???

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